Episode 5

Happy Hour 3

"I am acutely aware of the taste of my own foot. It tastes like regret and sorrow and lost gains, lost money."

In this Happy Hour episode, we reveal some of our past foibles, fuckups, and foot-in-mouth moments. We also talk a little about blockchain and discuss how we are getting ready for 2021 (even though it's already June).

In this episode: Robyn Sayles, Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins, Kaplan Akincilar, Shea Jeffers, Kathleen Seide


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Hey, this is Kathleen. And when I'm not unfucking businesses here on the podcast, I'm unfucking real estate over at WhyStPete.com. My company is Seide Realty and we are excited to sponsor this episode.


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Robyn Sayles:

Hey everybody. It's Robin and it is time for ding, ding, ding, you guessed it. Another one of our happy hour episodes. We are going to grab a drink, grab a snack, get a little bit silly. We've been recording all day. Our filters are off. Our brains are open and we are ready to answer your questions. I am your designated driver today, Robin seals.

And with me, I'm going to ask each of them to say, hello, the lineup, the Roundup that we have for the happy hour today. So Kaplan, who is our secret weapon of the show. Kaplan is our producer.

Kaplan Akincilar:

Hey, how's everyone doing awesome. And we have a new voice joining us for, the happy hour this time. Shay say hello to everybody.

Shea Jeffers:

How you doing?

Robyn Sayles:

That was awesome. The infamous Jinx is on today's happy hour. Say hello?

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

What's up Unfuckers.

Robyn Sayles:

Yeah. And last, but certainly not least the queen of real estate. Kathleen Seide. Say hello?

Kathleen Seide:

Hello. Hello. Hello.

Robyn Sayles:

So we've got some interesting questions lined up answer today. So everybody take a drink and get ready.

I'm going to start with, have you ever regretted leaving a job? And I'll also expand that because not all of us work in traditional jobs., and some of us certainly don't work in traditional jobs anymore. So let's broaden the definition of job. Have you ever regretted walking away from a job or walking away from a project or walking away from something that you were working on where later you're like, "oh man, I should've stayed," or "I should've left differently."

Great. So anybody ever regretted walking away from a job or a project?

Shea Jeffers:

Well, I'm going to jump in,

Robyn Sayles:


Shea Jeffers:

and say that one, I guess I'm going to be an outside of this because I am one of those individuals that sticks with things for the long haul, sometimes to a detriment, but there was an opportunity that I think I could have left a little bit better because the backside of it was it's still growing.

Granted that:

Robyn Sayles:

So now, you know, they, they were impacted by COVID, but now they've come back bigger, better, stronger, faster, and you're like, oh,

Shea Jeffers:


Robyn Sayles:

awesome. Kathleen?

Kathleen Seide:

I'll jump in here and say, I don't think I don't regret leaving any job I've left. And I feel pretty good about the circumstances. Like I was looking back on the different times that that transition has happened. And literally every time I have been propelled in a better direction or ended up in a much better place.

And I look back feeling like I was actually kind of stuck. So saying no, and moving on was fantastic. And I think, you know, it's a lesson I've learned that. I don't need to wait as long as I used to make a change.

Robyn Sayles:

I like that. I like that. It's... I think, I think we learn from every situation, even the ones that like we knew it was necessary, but maybe it could have gone better.

Or I like what you said about timing. I mean, certainly when I think back of some of my exits, which weren't always my choice. I spent nine years in banking. I was the layoff queen. I got laid off seven times in that nine years in banking. But, I don't regret any of those either, because it also taught me a lot about being able to read the signs on the wall and the writing and kind of know when that stuff was coming and always know that no matter what, there's something better on the other side.

But as far as the ones where I chose to leave, there's a couple where. I probably burned a bridge that I didn't need to burn, so I don't regret leaving, but I probably could have done it with a little more grace and a little more consideration. There was one bridge that I burned solidly to the ground that I have no regrets about at all.

But in general, I really try not to do that in general. I try to leave someplace better than before I got there. And so the couple of times where, like I kind of screw that up at the end, you know, if I get anything closer regret it's that it's like, and, and a lot of it, Kathleen comes down to what you're talking about.

Like the only reason it got to that point where I did kind of screw it up at the end was because I waited. I should have left before I did. And then, because I waited because I was foolishly trying to make it work or waiting for something else to happen. That's when the sticky situations and the tiniest little regret slivers in, but otherwise, no.

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

So I thought it was funny that you mentioned burning bridges a few times, cause I am the Horacius of former relationships. I know all these people, like my wife is friends with many of her exes that she had long-term relationship with. I am not friends with an ex. I have never been friends with an ex if they are an ex it's because we burned that fucker down. And we're not going to be friends. That's just not gonna fucking happen.

So a lot of my former jobs exactly the same way when I left there, I left in a blaze of glory. How I left depended entirely on my relationship with management, whether it was good or not, like there was one job I left at web MD where like we left on really great terms and all the rest of that, but a hell of a lot of them, I was just like, "Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. You're cool. But fuck you." You know and I was on the way out the door. If I've gotten to the end of a relationship, whatever that relationship is such, that I am terminating that relationship aggressively generally. Not the kind of scenario where you're going to be friends afterwards.

Robyn Sayles:

I love that you made me think of that old Mel Brooks movie history of the world where Madeline Kahn is like, no, no, no, no, yes.

I can just imagine jinx going. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you, yay, you're cool. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Kaplan Akincilar:

It reminded me of a half-baked

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

That that's it. Half baked.

Kaplan Akincilar:

So, for me, I've learned not to burn bridges and to treat everyone I work with in professional settings, with respect even the lowest person at the company. I've definitely done some things that I regret as I've grown and matured.

I've learned that the number one thing to do is to always act professional. I just think it's really important to make sure that you always treat people with respect, especially if you're on your way out. I've definitely burned bridges. Those burned bridges have come back to bite me. And now that I'm a little older and a little more experienced, I know that you can't just can't burn bridges. You just, you gotta continue to be professional. Even if you mess up or you're going out for doing something incorrect or bad, you just gotta keep a professional attitude.

Robyn Sayles:

Yeah. Kathleen, I think you had something to add to that.

Kathleen Seide:

Yeah. I just, I wanted to say that one way to bring a really good attitude into those exits is to look at and be grateful for the things that you did see from working there and knowledge that no matter how long ago, no matter how minimal, if you can, in your own self stop and say, thank you for these things. You don't have to voice it to the assholes or whatever. You're leaving the bad situation, or maybe it's great. Right? You can voice it to yourself and you sit in that.

And if you can acknowledge that and come from a place of gratitude for your experiences there, for who it's made you and what it's taught to you and what you can bring forward into your next adventure, that puts you in a, so much better mindset for those transitions, so that you can handle them with that poison.

We all want to, when we're exiting and moving to a new, the next phase, right.

Robyn Sayles:

A hundred percent. And I think. The bridges that we didn't intend to burn. Hopefully we learned something from it. You know, like Kaplan said, like, you know, and especially in some of our industries or in some of our circles, you can't completely separate yourself from some of those individuals.

And so you have to leave it in a way that it is open to work with individuals again. One of my last corporate jobs, I left on really good terms, and now they hire me still as an outside consultant. Right. So I may not be full-time employed with them, but we still maintain a working relationship. And, you know, if I hadn't been like, "See y'all later," it probably wouldn't have afforded me the opportunities that I have.

I wouldn't have done that. I love them, but, but. So, so let's continue on the job track for a moment here. I think we've all heard the phrase. We've all heard the phrase and some of us have had them, some of us haven't, but I love the concept of the work wife or the work husband. So let's talk about that for a little bit.

Like, how do you feel about that phrasing that terminology work wife work husband, have you had one and is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Has it caused problems? I just want to explore the concept of work wife and work husband. Anybody got a story to share around that?

Shea Jeffers:

Just, I think it only works when you're single or should only work when you're single or you have a really like open relationship at home because otherwise that can get really complicated, you know?

It's like, "Yeah. So I'm just going to go to work, go to lunch, with my husband, wait... oh, oh, my work husband or my work-wife," ... and that I've watched a few skits that just gets kind of really, really rough.

Robyn Sayles:

Kathleen. It looks like you had something

Kathleen Seide:

I do. It's always felt really cringy to me. I have a bunch of friends that use this phrase and I just hate it. Some of them are single. Some of them are married and real for sure. Married and. It implies this level of intimacy that just doesn't exist. And so it just gets under my skin as this... In one way, it's a diminishment of the actual relationship of a husband or a wife. And then on the other hand, it's, I dunno, it's almost a slap in the face to the relationship itself too.

And, you're saying, okay, it's more than a friendship. It's okay that it's friendship. This is my best friend at work, right? The phrase work wife or work husband implies a certain level of intimacy that just, just makes me cringe. I don't like it.

Robyn Sayles:

So I don't... I totally get that. And I think so much of the cringiness comes from the word wife and husband, cause there's certain amount of baggage that gets attached to those words and what they mean and what they should mean, et cetera.

So, so as someone who had a work husband who is still a really good friend of mine, I don't think of it... It wasn't so much intimacy as it was partnership. So this person was my partner at work and supported me in similar ways to the way my actual husband is my partner in life and supports me through those things.

So that phrase felt appropriate because I knew that that person, my buddy at the office had my back, no matter what. You know, stood up for me no matter what would champion my ideas, no matter what, and vice versa. We looked out for each other, you know, we make time for each other when like shit was getting awful, and you needed that person that you knew that you could confide in without judgment to vent all that shit. I think it's, maybe we just need to find another term for it that doesn't confuse the lines of intimacy and relationship and stuff, but it is more than just like, this is my buddy at work. We built a bond that continues. And I'm thankful for that. He personally has had some triumphs and some tragedies and, and to see him blossom and grow even beyond our work relationship. And he had some relationship troubles, and now he's found the perfect person and he's really deeply happy. You know, if it was just my buddy at work, like I could care less.

So you married again? Woohoo. Like, no, I'm so fucking happy that he's happy. And so I think it is something a little deeper than like typical work friendship. But I agree with you, Kathleen, that calling it, that same name does create a cringe factor. I think Jinx had to pipe in here. Yep. Go for it.

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

It's gendered. I think that's my biggest hang-up with it. I am the kind of person who has some very deep and intimate relationships with many of my friends. I don't find that to be the problem at all. And what I do find to be the problem is that because it's gender, it creates this sort of internal echo of something very specific that I don't think it necessarily intends to.

You know, if I said my work boyfriend or my work husband, right. That automatically makes people stop and think about it for a second, because work wife is an expectation, right? Oh, ha ha. This little fun thing. And it's this woman at work and wait a second. And as soon as I say work husband, now, all of a sudden that makes that problem really clear because now you start going, wait a second.

What do you mean by work husband? Oh, wait, is Chris queer? And so like, I don't know. I think that illustrates the problem with it. I, or the problem that I have with it. Not that nobody else should use it, but just that fact that it's gendered. It adds something to the phrase, which I think is probably often accurate, but is not really a good representation of what that relationship should be in a professional environment, perhaps.

Robyn Sayles:

Yeah. What should we call it?

More than a buddy, but not your significant other, like, I don't know. It's interesting. I don't think besties know, but it's along the, the line.

Kathleen Seide:

I like partner. I like how you described it as this partner that really supports you like that encompasses it so much better, but it needs to be cute also.

Robyn Sayles:

So I think we open this one up to the UFMB community. And if you're out there listening to this episode, please let us know in the comments, in our Facebook group, write us at WTF@unfuckmybusiness.com and let us know what should we call this relationship? That is, more than friendship, but should not be gendered and should not imply a married partnership.

Interesting conversation. I also want to talk about, you know, we we've talked about regretting leaving a business. And then sometimes, and maybe not a regret, but we've certainly all had moments where we stuck our foot in our mouth or stepped left when we meant to step right. And caused ourselves some unintentional harm in our business.

So for example, maybe it's a happy hour setting with folks that you're working with. Maybe it's the office holiday party. Maybe it's a social event and you had one too many drinks or let your filter down a little bit too far. And you said something or you did something that lost you some business or lost you a relationship or you had to fight real hard.

To get back into that game again. So do you guys, can you share some examples of when you've stuck your foot in it, or maybe sometimes that you've seen other people stick their foot in it because they forgot that the people that they were getting fun and social with were also people that they do business with. And maybe they cross the line a little too far.

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

So which story should I tell?

Robyn Sayles:

I was trying not to look at you directly jinx, but I know that you've got a couple of these, but I think the rest of us have some too,

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

you know they've had to work and by they, I mean, all the people who are my business associates and friends in the business space, they've had to work really hard to house train me. I am not... I am prone to socially unacceptable behavior on a regular basis, dirty jokes, you know, off-color commentary. The farther into the happy hour it gets the more of that's going to come out because fundamentally that's my personality. Yeah. You know, the whole thing about in Vino Veritas.

So, you know, you fucked up by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, but it wasn't like that wasn't something you would say it was just inappropriate in the moment. And sometimes it's a time and place thing, and sometimes it's who's the audience thing. And sometimes it's who are you talking to thing?

And, and when those, you know, inhibitions come down with the influence of copious amounts of alcohol, Your time in place meter might be a little off. And that's certainly been the case a number of times in my professional history. And that generally involves a whole lot of, yeah. Sorry. I kind of fucked that up. Wrong time. Wrong place. And I will certainly keep in mind to try and avoid doing that in the future. Now, fortunately, my drunk brain does keep track of like, Hmm. These were things that happened in the past. Try not to do that again. So I have that going for me, but yeah, I've, I've had plenty of happy hours that had an apology attached to them afterwards.

Robyn Sayles:

I love that. I love the idea of a happy hour that has an apology attached to it. Anybody else got some stepping in it? Stories, Kaplan, go for it.

Kaplan Akincilar:

Yeah. I am acutely aware of the taste of my own foot. It tastes like regret and sorrow and lost gains, lost money. So, I do a good job of holding back what I want to say these days, just because I've been burned so many times by being immature and irresponsible and going through those, those pains, you'll learn what to say and what not to say. And at the end of the day, as long as you change and you keep some of your core relationships and they see that you changed and they see that you've become more professional. They want to continue working with you. So it's about what you do in the now rather than focusing on what you did in the past.

Robyn Sayles:

Yeah, I agree. Shea, how about you?

Shea Jeffers:

Well, the thing is I worked in the restaurant industry for about 10 years. So that is essentially like, Hey, we're off shift. Let's go drink now. Granted, I wasn't a big drinker, but I did work at one place where literally it was right after the show. The next two to three hours, even though it was like super late in the morning to like four in the morning they're drinking and the stories are flying and things are happening.

That shouldn't be happening amongst coworkers. But, yeah, it's one of those things where you got to keep, do, keep track of who you're actually talking to. Cause sometimes if it's a social event, like, Hey, let's have a birthday party for somebody and now we're at we're off premises, but everybody's drinking. And the boss is doing inappropriate jokes and like, wait a second. How do you want the same respect when we get back to work when you were just sloppy as hell over here? So, yeah, it's been some interesting things.

Robyn Sayles:

Yeah. I... my husband. Put himself through college, working in restaurants, met his best friend working at the old.

So anyone who's from the Tampa bay area, the old Columbia that was at the old pier. And, so all of their stories when the two of them get together, start with,, "we were so drunk... " And so I just equate that now with like after hours restaurant work,

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

Honestly in the restaurant space is, is the absolute, like I was raised in that space as well.

And you are not well-trained to be a professional if you come up in that space, because there are no professional rules, it's all shit talking, flirting, bullshit, like, you know, things that would totally get you like fired by HR in a corporate environment are the every day in a restaurant space.

Kaplan Akincilar:

I got a quick story. I was in the restaurant whirlwind for years. I've worked at spice market. some really high-end restaurants and most of the restaurants I work at pretty well. And, but then I worked at Momofuku and. That was a completely different experience. It was all business. There was no play, absolutely no play. And if you know David Chang and the way he was raised, it was like a military family.

He brought that mentality to his restaurant and his restaurants are incredibly successful, but everyone hated them. Everyone was fearing for their jobs all the time and they treated people like garbage. I hated that place, even though it was making 20% more than other people in the restaurant industry.

Robyn Sayles:

There's something to be said for, for cultivating a culture. And so yeah, in those other restaurant environments where the lines may get blurred and we may say, and do the wrong thing when we have had a couple of drinks too many, but everybody's doing that. And there's, there's a culture of forgiveness I think up to a certain point, which, which is missing from some of those environments. Like the one you mentioned Kaplan. So trying to find the happy place in between those two. I don't know the answer and I'm sure it varies from industry to industry. Kathleen, how about you?

Kathleen Seide:

Yeah. I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember the feeling of just my, my stomach dropping down, like ugh where I'll talk before I think something through, especially if I'm in that sort of a..., you're in a networking situation where you've had a couple drinks... And I'll start telling a story or talking about something, I tend to throw my opinions out there a little bit and I'll get halfway through a story and realize...my mind is finally catching up... where I realize the context and the person I'm talking to are in conflict.

So if, yeah, exactly. So it'll be, oh, you know, if you look at it from their perspective, they now think I'm talking about them and shit-talking them, or they're... If you look at it from the wrong perspective, I'm now throwing harsh judgment on this thing they actually did in their life five years ago cause I was a friend with them. That sort of thing. So I get halfway through and I just drop inside and then I pause for a second and try to take a hard right turn . "And this is what I was actually going at the whole time... that's not.. you know... that this was my point. It wasn't there... I wasn't going where you thought I was never... no... no..." ...yeah

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

That feeling when you make a joke and no one laughs. .

Kathleen Seide:

Yes. It's not a skillful transition. Hopefully those people are still in my life to some extent. So it doesn't seem to have done so much harm, but that internal feeling about that drop it's like the ELA they're falling through your heart. Oops, yikes.

Robyn Sayles:

So even though, you know, there's a reason I'm the designated driver of these happy hours because rum to Teetotaler ... don't drink, never have.

Found out in a very traumatic moment that I'm allergic to alcohol. So yeah, now definitely aren't drinking.

Anytime that I've stepped in it or stuck my foot in it, it's usually due to over tiredness. And only where I've sort of damaged the relationship with coworkers or employees to the point that I had to work a little extra, harder to get back on even footing.

So the best example I can think of is back in my retail management days, I worked for this one store in particular, which I won't name by name, but it's where you buy all your glitter makeup and band t-shirts and bat shaped earrings. And inventory at that place was hell, I mean, hell you bring in these companies to help with inventory, but yet you still have all your employees there doing it.

And you can only incentivize them with so much pizza. And inventory at this place was going till three, four in the morning because we would sell things ... This was the nineties so we would sell things like those little butterfly clips and you'd have a bucket of literally thousands of butterfly clips and it had to be counted.

You know, so it's literally someone's job to sit on the floor and count thousands of fucking butterfly clips... so miserable, miserable, miserable. So if I had been up since six in the morning, and now we're going on four, the only fuel I lived on is pretzel nuggets and Surge soda back in my mom management day.

So if all I've had to eat is like pretzel nuggets, pizza, and soda. And we're coming on four in the morning and we still got like hundreds of items to count. Like... I have snapped, I have snapped. And if you've met me, you can't imagine me snapping, but, but that person does exist. The moments are rare. And it's, it's quite shocking because I'm like the most jovial person in the world until I hit that line.

And, yeah, so I I've spent some post inventory days going, "I'm really... I don't entirely remember what I said, but I do remember the look on your face and I'm terribly sorry. And please understand that it's was not about you. It was about the situation that we were all in, you know, and I, I hope you can forgive me and continue to work here at the store with me," you know, cause it was, it was not fun.

I was not fun at four o'clock in the morning at the very last bit of inventory. And somebody is like, oh, we forgot to count this bucket.

Just ready to like murder someone. Good Lord. I'm having like anxiety, just recounting that memory. You guys. Yeah. Kathleen,

Kathleen Seide:

I'm over here going, how horrible that they made you count ... do inventory by weight on that kind of item. Like don't count a thousand things that cost a half of a cent. It's such a waste of time.

Yeah, they were 10 cents a piece.

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

Math Brains represent. I mean, each individual unit weighs X the bucket weighs Y. Divide the two, get you Z. That's your count.

Robyn Sayles:

Do you think that they provided all of their stores, a method with which to count it by weight? No. No. Everything. If it couldn't be scanned by a barcode, which is what the company did... and so that's why employees were there to begin with. The inventory company can only scan things by barcode. All they can do is follow orders. They have a chart that says what your store should have. Here's everything that has a bar code. We'll go around with our little things and we'll scan it. We'll let you know if there's a discrepancy, you know, that's it, that's the extent of their job.

So then the rest of us are stuck going "where's this?" "What's that?" " This doesn't have a barcode." "How do we count it by hand?" ...Blah, blah, blah. Oh my God. It was a nightmare. And, and obviously, still I've been harboring that. So thank you for letting me get that off my chest guys. Let's move into something that I hope will be a bit more positive and non anxiety ridden and maybe could help alleviate some anxiety for folks listening.

ll be a couple of months into:

I'm also seeing an uptick because I think even for industries where... like I work in a lot of events and conventions and stuff, and those things aren't happening in person, but the people who run that are now figuring out like, well, we have to find some way to do this. And so there's some innovation and some activity happening in that space where people are moving things to online platforms.

ut how to make the best of my:

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

Well, every couple of years when Bitcoin has some crazy huge run-up in price due to a number of market factors and that sort of thing lots and lots of people start asking me questions about Bitcoin and crypto and all the rest of that. So I've been running a group for a while, private group that just is a crypto bootcamp.

That's literally the name of the group. And that talks about trading and all the rest of that. And Kaplan's actually joined that recently as well. And we've been running this for about four years now, but I'm in a place where the biggest difference between now and four years ago was back then I was just taking whatever cash I could come up with and throwing it at this crazy coin that I was hoping was going to do well. Whereas now I've worked with a number of crypto projects I'm spread out and support across a pretty broad spectrum of alt coins and things along that line, just following what they do and seeing their proposed technology.

in the space. And so part of:

I think that there's a whole lot to look at in the future of like decentralized applications and decentralized data stores that solve some real problems. We have. Like knowing at 701 PM who the new president is because it's all happening on a blockchain application where the data is updated in real time and it's immutable and non-transferable, and absolutely identifiable back to an individual voter.

ing at the future, looking at:

Robyn Sayles:

Love it. Love it. I know a sliver about blockchain and I find it fascinating. So I rely on people like you and my network to keep me up to speed Kaplan.

dvantage and make the most of:

Kaplan Akincilar:

I'm on the same wavelength as Jinx here. I think decentralization and decentralized platforms are going to be the way forward. I'm quite pessimistic about the future. This case shape recovery we're growing through where wall street is going up. Main streets going down. We have not experienced the full force of this catastrophe. Too many small businesses have, have gone out of business. And I just don't have the greatest outlook on things going forward. However, I think a decentralization can help solve some of these problems. If you look at the whole thing with GameStop and Robin hood halting trading with a decentralized trading platform that just can't happen.

But I think we're still pretty far from that. The big hurdles of adopting cryptocurrency. There are two, two great at the moment, I think there's too many boomers and older people out there. Not all of them, of course, but too many people out there that are just not technically savvy enough to use cryptocurrency effectively.

So I think the first person that their group or conglomerate or whoever it is, figures out how to seamlessly integrate cryptocurrency into their platform. And somehow take off on that platform, kind of like WeChat Pay that literally took off overnight. If you look at how the Chinese economy literally switched to WeChat Pay, I always forget if it's WePay.

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

It's WeChat Pay, yes.

Kaplan Akincilar:

They, the regulatory agencies in China had no idea that this was going to explode over night and it wasn't even on their radar. And then the whole economy basically switched over to this platform and everyone was using it. To stop it or regulate it would have collapsed their economy. So now it's just this thing that's integrated into their society.

And I find that if something like that happens here with cryptocurrency, you know, game over.

Everyone who is not a FinTech nerd was like never let jinx and Kaplan on the happy hour ever again.

Robyn Sayles:

Maybe they'll absorb something by osmosis. You know, if nothing else they've written down some words and they're going to go look them up.

And you know, who knows, maybe you just, or there's probably a significant number of people who were like, yes. Why isn't anybody else talking about this?

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

Shout out to our FinTech nerds,

Robyn Sayles:

Kathleen, I'm coming to you next.

Kathleen Seide:

I'm going to swing this in the completely opposite direction. For me, I measure the quality of my life and the value of my life by how much joy and happiness I experience.

So I'm looking at:

And it's really fun and exciting, and it's not this huge business opening necessarily, but it's a huge opening for me personally. And it's profound for me. And I'm really excited about what 2021 has to offer.

Robyn Sayles:

Awesome. See, it's know about blockchain y'all sometimes it's just about finding your own joy.

How are you getting ready for:

Shea Jeffers:

opened up the door for 2021 is a great opportunity to create your own platform in many variety of ways. Whether it is by creating a group. And it's so easy to. To see others who have created groups or a little areas for others to interact with you four years ago before 2020 or whatever.

But now, since we're in such a flux in terms of what people want to, to, to learn what people believe, this is a great opportunity for you to decide, "Hey, this is what I believe." And express that to the world and create forums for others to join you in that, in that thought process. So for me, it's really like this year is really about being a catalyst for thought leadership in business development.

Like really, I think I've mentioned over and over the idea of taking people from solopreneur and entrepreneur to a stronger business owner mindset. That's really my whole push for at least the first six months of this year. So whether it's through me and my own organization, I took on ownership of a network organization last year, middle of the year. And now I have the opportunity to totally innovate how we do things. So that's the other part of it too.

Robyn Sayles:

I love that Shea and, and truly if 2020 showed us nothing else, it showed us that the playing field has been leveled. The particular example, I love to show people all the time is, think about all the television shows that suddenly had to close down their studios and figure out how to do it from home.

And the first couple of weeks, if some of these shows doing it from home, they sucked, they sucked like you take away the studio, you take away their production team. You take away the sound guy and the graphics guy, and suddenly these guys are no better than you and I.

Chris 'Jinx' Jenkins:

Hot ones who is just as great remote by the way, Sean Evans, you rock.

Robyn Sayles:

Well, yeah. And so I think those of us who've been for the last two, three years, figuring out how to make Zoom, look like TV and figuring out how to make the best of what we got. Like, we were actually in a better position to get messages out. Then these professionals who were suddenly like in a DIY space and they had no idea how to DIY.

bined with, you know, for me,:

And so I've realized, oh, there's a lot more that I could do. And the only reason I haven't done it is because I convinced myself that some bullshit thing, you know, my hormonal brain told me was correct when it wasn't. So I'm looking forward to executing on some of the realizations. And so a lot of the work that I'm doing right now is laying the groundwork and clearing this space to allow these things to come forward.

e fuck you're going to do for:

That is okay. You still have plenty of time. You can figure out 2021 November, you can figure out 2021 and 2022, man, like just keep looking and keep moving forward and reach out to your community. And clearly if you need help with blockchain, if you need help for stepping into the CEO role of your business, if you need help finding your joy.

We got you.

Come talk to us over in the UFMB community on Facebook. We have a lot of fun over there, but we also get a lot of shit done. And so if you need to surround yourself with people who are going to help you get shit done, we're definitely those people. So come hang out with us over on Facebook.

And if you have any questions or if you have questions you want us to answer on the next happy hour, please, please, please. We would love to answer your ridiculous poignant, deep and introspective questions. You can send them to WTF@Unfuck,MyBusiness.com. Cheers everybody.

Kaplan Akincilar:

What the fuck you still doing here? I know what I'm doing here. I'm the motherfucking editor. All right. But you know, since you're still around, why don't you take what you learned and maybe do something with it. You know, all those links and resources that we talked about in the show? They're in the show notes, go find them... fucker, go to unfuckmybusiness.com to subscribe to the show.

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